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Ideas to combat profile fraud...
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Dear Doc Andrew A few questions or points....not necessarily in order of importance. 1) Confirm ID - it goes contrary to your philosophy I kinda thought, having read an article about you on a "watchdog" site. It does not work internationally. Here in Oz, we don't have the person's characteristics like height or weight on a Driver's Licence, so it would be of little benefit for the intended purpose. You have to bear this in mind. Passports also don't have these identifying information in them anymore. 2) Please explain to be fully, logically and concisely, using an example, how the current or with Friend Network works. I have read the information on your blog, but am confused. Does that mean that someone may have deleted me but they appear on my network because I have not severed the link to them on my end? I just thought it was a simple link. You delete them and they go off your network and you go off theirs, but I get the idea that it is not as simple as that. You appear to imply that at the moment it is a two-way link, not a one-way link (which is how you have modified it to be now). While I am not a mathematical or topological (?) idiot, I am very confused about this! (Avoided doing any computer science at uni!). I may not understand this the first time. (O.K, so I am spatially challenged!!) 3) I noticed some hacking must be ocurring as I noticed an email being sent to my private email using my passion.com handle, inviting me to join another site. I have deleted the email but I can forward it to you if from my delete box if you are interested in investigating it further. 4) Ethics, ethics, ethics.....umm, more to say about this later, perhaps? Kind regards G
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I think a lot of the standard members here are now worried that maybe they'll end up losing some of their privileges that they have now. I'm sure that the majority of the spammers are new accounts. Maybe someone that has been a standard member for over 6 months or a year would be grandfathered in? It's just a thought. Verifying or paying a dollar is no big deal to me, but might be harder for someone out of the states. As far as member policing, some of us do it already. Request review on TOU questions gives your staff a heads up. I will say I've even written a couple emails to them on certain issues and I have to ask if they actually read what is written? I don't know what your first level of response is, but there are times I felt it was some bot answering because they had NO clue. Second response was always a little more coherent.  Have tongue, will use it. Repeatedly.
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5/29/2006 8:35 pm |
Having voluntarily taken a break from paid membership lately,(though I will be paying again very soon)I do like the idea of a small fee for Standards if you feel it acts as a safeguard. I like the three-email thing...obviously far better than a total ban of exchanging contact info. It seems to me that a paying member should be able to send all the contact info they want,because making contact is the entire reason people come here. Have you ever considered a small flat fee for Standard members who desire to contact someone? It could be worked much like ebay fees..one small charge for each initial contact. Just a thought. Could seem like a bargain, but also create a new revenue stream.  I would love to see some kind of bonus given for people who report frauds...although you may become innundated with reports as a result...LOL Efforts to keep the frauds from joining seems to make the most sense, and anything you can come up with that prevents or deters them is a winner with me. This will make some butts pucker...but I would not be against a completely new concept for Standard Members..maybe a $5 monthly fee with limited features. Perhaps an "Entry" membership for free which is severely limited.
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I have encountered some attempts to spam from me...ie: women sending an e-mail asking for an off-site e-mail, and I fail to see the need for me to do that so I don't. Once I've met someone in person it's a different story. But even then we often communicate through the site. My point is that limiting exchange of personal information(offsite e-mails etc) is kind of like legislating against stupidity. I would suggest more education on the perils of doing so, and I would also suggest that making the e-mail features here more user friendly so folks don't feel the need to go offsite. I am no expert in the art of spamming and the almost total lack of spam here is one reason I use the e-mail feature for communicating with other members even after a meeting. I guess the trick is striking the right balance between useability for members while at the same time detracting those who would want to abuse it. I would be in favor of the 800 number for confirm ID...I've been meaning to check that out but frankly i am nervous about giving more than my cc info...as with the credit card i have at least some protections from the cc company.
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I think the 1-800 number idea is a very good idea for the ID verification for several reasons. 1- ID Verification can be offered for free to the members. 2- Loss of real "true members" could be avoided. 3- It can be a speedy process by a Various Inc. operator to verify the member profile by the location that was provided by the member upon signing up through the Telephone "Area Codes" on a "Caller ID" to identify the state\region the member is calling from. I do believe there are softwares that identify City, State, and Country by "Area Codes". Also I presume that the caller would be providing information to confirm themselves with the "zip code" of the location they reside. There are softwares that also identify locations by zip codes; one is offered by the USPS that I do know of. 4- Once again, it will help keep the minors that sneak on occasionally out. I also liked the idea of offering the points to members that report a fraudulent member "fake profile" since many members complain about the fake profiles, but yet the do not report them as they should. It is like rewarding the member for taking that extra time the have and initiative to helping to protect the site and its members.
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With fraud there is a distinct difference between opportunistic scamming which might be deterred by a small payment and organised/calculated fraud where a small patment is seen as the necessary "investment" to secure a much larger return. To exchange information on the third Gay Hookup Zone e-mail will delimit things further, but there is obviously never a total guarantee and as Lusty Taurus says you can't legislate against member stupidity. Whereas there is guidance on this site against the problems and pitfalls members can encounter, it is a kind of "small print" that most simply ignore until they run into trouble. For the first few times a member is on Gay Hookup Zone there should be a means of checking whether they have spent a little time on safety points. To my mind that is no different from a skydiver checking his reserve ...... not that ever he intends to, but what if ..... It still remains difficult to pay by non cc means outside the US. There is the issue of privacy and id which others have mentioned. I have often thought that Gay Hookup Zone as the named payee would be an issue in some cases and a different and more discreet holding company name might address that. On a different tack it has crossed my mind that some members, particularly women, are inundated with e-mails, most time-consuming, some undesirable and wondered if in the options for accepting an e-mail (e.g. a photo, full profile etc.) other options of network member (which would make a network of friends more than a largely token gesture) and fellow blogger could exist. There is a time when a member wants to stabilise their presence on Gay Hookup Zone, having made enough contacts etc. Fellow blogger could be activated after say 50 posts and would enable the sort of post-comment traffic that does occur, while at the same time reducing profile presence without having to turn it off completely.
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Purry as quite a few of us have stated we deal only in cash not plastic so really that is not a fair way of going about it and who in there right mind would hand over a card with number of account praying that they won't get charged,we all have passports,driving licennse,ids cards ect which are better . can i be a grandmother  plus i would happily volunteer to spy and report.I'm a   and i'm here to stay
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5/30/2006 6:10 am |
If this were a way to make more money then they would be thinking of charging more than $1 for it, they would be wanting to charge more like $2-5.
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These have been said before, i just want to support them Small time scammers grand"mothering", would help on those ...... someone here for a while and active with clean reputation has already proved themselves. Gets rid of mini scammers. Major Scammers - Seeking Big Bucks however, the "Real and Dangerous" ones might pay any fee as they are after big bucks, so no fee would stop them. a lil Curious? I am curious why the 8 So Obvious Fakes, and potentially dangerous scammers, I listed in [post 136683] survived to date, and are still here??? Lil♥Jessica♥SQuirt
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I changed all of my credit card information DELIBERATELY on the page in which that information is stored because someone that I know personally knew someone who clicked onto someones site and could read all of their information! I do not want people reading all of my information and I have no need for that to sit there in your system. I have, howver revealed things about myself throughI am not due to renew until next MARCH..and blogging is what has kept me here. Additionally...I do not appreciate people stealing my photos and using them on their pay sites for phone crap NOR do I like googling my handle and seeing myself on all kinds of sites that I DID NOT SIGN UP TO BE ON! I love the connections with REAL people in blogland and appreciate that you have your hands full being part of keeping it real. I will continue to give this one serious thought...it has been on my mind for awhile now. ... security... I value authenticity so much and appreciate the fact that people can be real here about who they really are...when they are willing to do that! When they are not, it is a waste of time and energy. Playful and playing games are two different things. Ok...luvpump..I'm done bitching now. ..really do appreciate your being on top of things here...no pun intended... Your devoted Goddess1946 Just a little food for thought............. If you really want to be happy, nobody can stop you... {=}
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5/30/2006 9:36 am |
I agree about the three digit scripting and I agree with you. For the blind folks the audio works fine. Sometimes I don't get the three digit script the first time but they give you three tries. The three digit scripting you mention makes it hard for computer generated programs to copy and you can add letters to them to! I also agree about charging standard members a one time fee of a dollar! Thats not too much to ask for! The three email exchange program sounds good to me as any normal person would want to get to know the other person before meeting. Some people just don't understand the meaning of "safety" on the net! I don't want to sound mean but your current three digit anti spam program is a little behind technology. As for the men sending out their personal email address the first time. That is just plain stupid!!!! They just invite more spammers in. So in general I agree with your implementations you are going to put into effect. I must also give you input about men on this site that send vulgar, crude emails. That ruins it for the men who are decent. Oh! one more thing. I think the automated profile thing should be done away with. I don't respond to automated profiles. It sends a red flag up in my head. While I am at it maybe you should implement a member confirmation since it is free already! Thanks for listening. P.S. I would give ya a wink but ahhhhhhhhh.......I prefer women LOL 
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5/30/2006 9:54 am |
I changed all of my credit card information DELIBERATELY on the page in which that information is stored because someone that I know personally knew someone who clicked onto someones site and could read all of their information! I do not want people reading all of my information and I have no need for that to sit there in your system. I have, howver revealed things about myself throughI am not due to renew until next MARCH..and blogging is what has kept me here. Additionally...I do not appreciate people stealing my photos and using them on their pay sites for phone crap NOR do I like googling my handle and seeing myself on all kinds of sites that I DID NOT SIGN UP TO BE ON! I love the connections with REAL people in blogland and appreciate that you have your hands full being part of keeping it real. I will continue to give this one serious thought...it has been on my mind for awhile now. ... security... I value authenticity so much and appreciate the fact that people can be real here about who they really are...when they are willing to do that! When they are not, it is a waste of time and energy. Playful and playing games are two different things. Ok...luvpump..I'm done bitching now. ..really do appreciate your being on top of things here...no pun intended... Your devoted Goddess1946 The google thing bothers me to. I want my stuff to stay private on the site I signed up for. I don't want the entire world to see me or the site I am on. It's a privacy thing
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Would this not still allow someone to using lets say a pay phone to call and spell out their profile name where they could not be tracked. For example: Jane Blow registers on the site as living in California and calls from Russia and spells out her handle to have it approved by a recording. Would that system be able to tell if Jane Blow was legitimate or not?
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I've been here for about eight years, both as a standard and a paid member. Far more as a standard member than a paid member. So I have a few strong thoughts. I'm all for banning the scripts. They're rampant in the chat room and there's no way abuse can keep up with the bots. Not to mention, there will always be someone with an IQ in the single digits who can't figure out how to use the iggy box and will sit there screaming at the bot to shut up. I remember the days when we were allowed to post links in chat. The bots fucked it up for the rest of us. Now, if we post a link we get banned for at least 24 hours, which we don't realize until it happens. (I'm amazed none of us get in trouble for telling guys screaming for phone numbers that our number is that famous number of song and they should ask for Jenny. It's amazing how many don't know that song.) (I had to re-submit this comment, as it was denied for including Jenny's number, which the phone company no longer assigns.) Now, I'm opposed to banning all personal information between standard members for a few reasons. Yes, you can set up meetings with someone without all that and just through site mail, but what responsible person is going to do that? "Oh yeah, I met him/her on the Internet, it must be safe to run off without even knowing names." Not a great idea. Before I meet a person, I want full name, landline number, a real email address, an IM name, just about everything other than a DNA sample. I also investigate. I Google the name, throw the number into a reverse directory, make sure they're not wanted for some crime, etc. I even balk at Yahoo email addresses, as that is the only real anonymous service that masks where your originating IP is. I tend to be careful. I'm not about to set up a meeting with someone without their personal information. Then there's the fact that a lot of standard members don't even meet each other through email. Not even all silver and gold members do that. A lot get to know each other through the chat rooms and move to IMs from there. Many of us can't use this site's IM program, as our computers suck and it crashes them. The same with the flash chat. Not to mention, it doesn't work the way it should a good bit of the time. Women are also reluctant to use it, as we're bombarded with idiots who go so far as to make death threats when we tell them no thank you. I realize the Nigerian and Mari El scammers are becoming a major problem. I've been hunting down the pics used by the bloggers mentioned in the comments in this thread. Two so far I found on Romance Scam, their pics used by known Nigerian scammers. But they've found a way to mask their IP addies, as all eight that have been found so far are using a Sympatico net address out of Toronto. One is even a gold member. Yet they all have US addresses on their profiles. So blocking known scammer IP addies won't always work, as they can spoof. The Nigerian scammers who admit to being men hit the chat rooms, so email bans aren't going to work there. There was one I followed around the rooms for a week, screaming he had pledged his love to me, how dare he be offering all these other women in other parts of the country his money order offer and undying love? This is a suggestion, I know other sites are doing it. Instead of hiding how to stay safe online at the very bottom of the home page, how about raising the status of that little FAQ and adding one about the 419 scams and how they're run? How you should never believe anyone who claims to being held hostage by their hotel in Lagos because they owe money, when Nigeria tends to be a cash in advance country for lodgings? How Nigeria and the Mari El region of Russia are notorious for scams and how they do their best to prey on the lonely? How they prey on single parents, BBWs, people who have profiles that are a desperate cry for help? How they're not going to come here and marry them, but instead are going to have parties with the money they scam out of greedy people? Educating the idiots who sign on thinking they deserve a supermodel and hot, horny porn star looking sluts are all just waiting to run out and fuck them is the only way people are going to stop being scammed. Then again, I can't start to tell you how many of these guys start screaming all the women on the site are fake because they're not getting laid as soon as they join and women want to meet them in public first, if at all. They really are the ones who fall for the bots, 419 scammers, green card scammers, cops posing as 15 year old girls being bad and people pretending to be something they're not in general, as they believe in the fantasy and not the reality.
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I've been here for about eight years, both as a standard and a paid member. Far more as a standard member than a paid member. So I have a few strong thoughts. I'm all for banning the scripts. They're rampant in the chat room and there's no way abuse can keep up with the bots. Not to mention, there will always be someone with an IQ in the single digits who can't figure out how to use the iggy box and will sit there screaming at the bot to shut up. I remember the days when we were allowed to post links in chat. The bots fucked it up for the rest of us. Now, if we post a link we get banned for at least 24 hours, which we don't realize until it happens. (I'm amazed none of us get in trouble for telling guys screaming for numbers that our number is the famous number of song and they should ask for Jenny. It's amazing how many don't know that song.) (I'm also being told to resubmit changes, as my comment was denied for including Jenny's legendary number.) Now, I'm opposed to banning all personal information between standard members for a few reasons. Yes, you can set up meetings with someone without all that and just through site mail, but what responsible person is going to do that? "Oh yeah, I met him/her on the Internet, it must be safe to run off without even knowing names." Not a great idea. Before I meet a person, I want full name, landline number, a real email address, an IM name, just about everything other than a DNA sample. I also investigate. I Google the name, throw the number into a reverse directory, make sure they're not wanted for some crime, etc. I even balk at Yahoo email addresses, as that is the only real anonymous service that masks where your originating IP is. I tend to be careful. I'm not about to set up a meeting with someone without their personal information. Then there's the fact that a lot of standard members don't even meet each other through email. Not even all silver and gold members do that. A lot get to know each other through the chat rooms and move to IMs from there. Many of us can't use this site's IM program, as our computers suck and it crashes them. The same with the flash chat. Not to mention, it doesn't work the way it should a good bit of the time. Women are also reluctant to use it, as we're bombarded with idiots who go so far as to make death threats when we tell them no thank you. I realize the Nigerian and Mari El scammers are becoming a major problem. I've been hunting down the pics used by the bloggers mentioned in the comments in this thread. Two so far I found on Romance Scam, their pics used by known Nigerian scammers. But they've found a way to mask their IP addies, as all eight that have been found so far are using a Sympatico net address out of Toronto. One is even a gold member. Yet they all have US addresses on their profiles. So blocking known scammer IP addies won't always work, as they can spoof. The Nigerian scammers who admit to being men hit the chat rooms, so email bans aren't going to work there. There was one I followed around the rooms for a week, screaming he had pledged his love to me, how dare he be offering all these other women in other parts of the country his money order offer and undying love? This is a suggestion, I know other sites are doing it. Instead of hiding how to stay safe online at the very bottom of the home page, how about raising the status of that little FAQ and adding one about the 419 scams and how they're run? How you should never believe anyone who claims to being held hostage by their hotel in Lagos because they owe money, when Nigeria tends to be a cash in advance country for lodgings? How Nigeria and the Mari El region of Russia are notorious for scams and how they do their best to prey on the lonely? How they prey on single parents, BBWs, people who have profiles that are a desperate cry for help? How they're not going to come here and marry them, but instead are going to have parties with the money they scam out of greedy people? Educating the idiots who sign on thinking they deserve a supermodel and hot, horny porn star looking sluts are all just waiting to run out and fuck them is the only way people are going to stop being scammed. Then again, I can't start to tell you how many of these guys start screaming all the women on the site are fake because they're not getting laid as soon as they join and women want to meet them in public first, if at all. They really are the ones who fall for the bots, 419 scammers, green card scammers, cops posing as 15 year old girls being bad (I have seen that happen more than once in the chat rooms) and people pretending to be something they're not in general, as they believe in the fantasy and not the reality.
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5/30/2006 2:50 pm |
I agree with trillogy too. The $1 fee would make the costs go up considerably since at least 50% (if not more) of the members on this site are standard members. and alot of people wont like the confirmID because they dont believe in sending contact info, not that you cant be trusted, but who knows who else who might have their hands on it cant be trusted. I think the best idea was the one where you were talking about the 'visual challenge', or similar to the antispam numbers, added to the page where you join/make a new profile. This will keep them out to begin with, or at least keep it at a minimum where members wouldnt say that they get spammers all of the time.
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5/30/2006 5:25 pm |
Hello LuvPump! Nice to meet you! First of all, I think the most important step you can take, is an educational awareness message campaign. You don't necessarily need to rewrite all your code, if you work new icons through out the site with more messages about safety and reporting abuse. I think it should be an OPTION, when you first sign up to have the emails forwarded to your personal address, otherwise they should originally default to reading them only within your closed system. At least until someone is smart enough to find the options on how to change that themselves. I say this because I think back at how naive I was, and that I could have easily thought I was supposed to email them back from my personal email account, by replying to their given address, instead of logging back into your closed system. I think that type of fraud happens a lot, especially by individuals looking at all the recent signups. These especially are the people that the educational warnings should be aimed at, from the first moment they sign up. A new GUI of educational messages of sorts. This change in message emails going off site, will make a drastic difference. Of course, you should continue to send the member emails saying that so and so has contacted you, but don't let them read them until they log back into your closed site. Men especially seem to think they are invulnerable. One of the first persons I started talking to online, was a 6'5 guy who posted info in his network newsletter of where he could be "pre-screened" before contacting him to meet in person every week. (He also happend to mention that he was always there, with his coworkers cashing their paychecks). He thought it was a "safe" way ladies could check him out in person, without having to arrange a contact with him to meet him at a specific time. Being a rather "dangerous" looking, big guy.. he never thought HIS safety might be at risk, until I pointed out people have been shot for *way* less then a weeks wages. He was mainly concerned he was not meeting women cause they might be intimidated, so he thought he was just being a gentleman until I pointed it out to him, then he saw the light. I really think he would have been more conservative, had he been a bit more educated about online safety issues, that were more general and in our face all the time. He has clearly been stalked online, and had many pros approach him, and has since turned his profile off though I still email him... he still can't believe I want nothing from him but to be a friend. Also, I agree with the minumum three contact rules, for exchanging info instead of allowing it to be in our profiles for anyone who is a paying member to see. I would never put mine in there, just because. . I *really* PRefer going through a third party site, such as this, unless I feel really certain about someone or have my own reasons. I think on ALL of your outgoing emails, you should have a reminder about WHY everyone should use Gay Hookup Zone as their "condom" online while talking with someone. Clearly state the risks, on every outgoing message, with links to more details on another area. This way, everytime someone uses the site, male or females, they have it repeated into their brains about how dangerous going off site is... and then... teach them how to be aware of frauds and how to report them. Make it EASY for them, so it becomes second nature. Also, I suggest an upgraded service for "screening" potential partners before a first meeting. Packaging it this way, would be preferable then making all standard members pay $1. This could be a major profit center for you, as I know I personally wouldn't mind a background check on someone I am going to meet someplace in person. Confirm ID check for a $1 - $10 fee, which every member could be encouraged to pay through sending in standard mail or however. It is too easy to get prepaid credit cards now, not to expect any ADULT to be able to get a payment in somehow. ... even if they are cheating on a spouse... Five years ago, I would have said it would have been too difficult, but at the register at the grocery store now you can buy prepaid Credit Cards that can be used online, so I think the time has come for this thought to be considered. I think as your site becomes more and more safe, it will become more and more acceptable. Okay, thats a good start. That along with new high profile easy to find report abuse buttons, for copyright theft, fraud etc.. it could really help to weed out a bunch of junk that is bogging down your house here. I am soo glad to see you are "on top" of things, and watching out over your unique playground. ___________________________ Oh.. and off topic of this post, may I recommend a "professional" services listings catagory? No, I don't mean pros that kinda way, but as in like BiPolyBabe type of services etc? she has soem really educational posts onher blog, and if she is going to sell a book, thei site might be a place she would want to advertise like an ad on your magazines. You know, things it would be a bit more difficult to find in the yellow pages.... Just a Thought.
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5/30/2006 10:42 pm |
I too am a standard member and as a woman feel that women have the advantage on this site, given the ratio of male to female in general. However, more than once I have heard that the men have been contacted by some woman and get lead to a pay site for watching movies, chatting etc. Thankfully they are quick to learn how to spot the fakes and simply don't respond... I once had part of my profile copied word for word by someone that I met up with and have since totally banned him from contacting me. That seems to have solved the problem at least for now... I think the best idea I saw so far was the one cent thing for standard members or confirm ID. By the way love the new look of the mail page. Cleaner and well put together..Kudos to the designer of that one...
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5/30/2006 10:55 pm |
First, the site needs to be cleaned up! There are profiles that are years old with NO activity! And then there are those who are on 24/7! Set a few boundries: 1. Members must be active X times a month 2. Members are required to sign in after X many hours of site use 3. Members are required to participate, see #1; join groups, post articles, etc. 4. Any reports of suspicous profiles, said suspicous profiles should be removed from viewing immediately until Gay Hookup Zone has a chance to view and take action. Personally, profiles I've reported have remained active for as long as 2 weeks after I made the report! 5. Member assistance, Gay Hookup Zone should offer a trade of membership for members willing to help Gay Hookup Zone monitor the site in their areas. See #4. This is just a few things that would greatly improve this site and cut down on the fraud. Dale
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Here is an idea. It may sound a little off the wall; however, from past experience on another site I found that most spammers and fraudulent profilers will use a free email account to create their profile that they do not go back to and also winds up being deleted by the provider for inactivity or being used for spamming. Most times the email address that they will give to a "targeted" person is different from the initial email address used to create their profile with. Maybe if email account verification was made more strict (more difficult ) it would help curve the the fraudulent profilers. Say for instance each month the members would be sent an account email verification to continue use of the free services. If the email sent by Various bounces or is not replied back to within a 72 hour period time, the members account would be deactivated.
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"The email verification sounds like a good idea but for those that go on vacation 72 hours wouldn't be enough time." I neglected to mention my idea is that the account of the member wouldn't be deleted (at least not for lets say a couple months), but only deactivated. That way as you said about a member going on vacation or etc... can then email customer support and request their account activated; thus, the email address would in fact be verified as an active account and the member is real.
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5/31/2006 7:43 am |
First off let me applaud alchemistz9 Very well spoken. secondly, A large percentage of us "standards" are very uncomfortable sending credit card numbers over the net even when they say "for verification only". I would be happy to call an "800" number for a call back or does anyone see a problem with giving your drivers license number as verification? Everyone of legal age should have one. Personally... being a "standard" sucks big time. So very limited on what we can do unless there are enough points built up. Lastly would it hurt you guys to set it up so if n' when we place an email we get confirmation that they received it? You advertise "Nude cards" and they have a box to check that lets you know when they open the card. So why can't you?
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The entire idea of this site is to meet people, so exchange of contact information is important. Especially when Gay Hookup Zone IM works poorly. An IM link generally needs 1-on-1 attention; not condusive to spammers. A bot IM is easily recognized and blocked. I'm willing to put up with the annoyance of an occasional bot IM to be able to personally chat and meet with other members of this site.
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5/31/2006 1:58 pm |
Jest joined this site and find your ideas very good and hope they work to keep all of us here happy and content so we can have fun.
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5/31/2006 9:33 pm |
I have personally referred eight accounts to abuse because they were either pushing spam or actively recruiting for "donations" from members to hook up. What's also interesting is this: a huge proliferation of standard members who create and destroy profiles quickly. In between that and other strategies the use of open blogs is another way information is being captured as well, using cookies to troll your history, just as valuable to a data aggregation service. I say review the standard members and the problem goes away. Just look for the hi-def profile pictures or no profile picture accounts as a start.
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